Many Christians Are Retarded

This post originally appeared as a Guest Post at Godless Mom‘s blogsite.

Many Christians are retarded.

Phew!

That’s a contentious start to this article is it not?

Christians (in fact anyone of any religious stripe) are retarded, and I want to be quite clear that I mean that in the truest sense of the word. I’m not being ‘orrible, I’m not a hater, I’m just stating the truth as I see it.

Think about this. Have you ever had to deal with a recalcitrant child? You have? Good. Then you know how circular the arguments can be when trying to explain why they can’t have another ice cream or yes! It IS time for a bath!

The Bible
And it’s exactly the same thing with Christians, especially the more moronic subset known as creationists.

Take for instance the bible as proof, which it clearly isn’t. I’ve debated with many, many believers over the validity of the bible as evidence. It’s a single book based on a set of collected texts written many years, in some cases hundreds of years after the ‘fact’ that were collated into a single tome by a committee. Some documents made the editorial and some did not.

S’True. Google the Council of Nicea… The first one in 325AD, not the second in 787AD which was more concerned with which images were holy and stuff, and which were heretical and could earn you a one way trip to being the centre piece of a BBQ.

Anyway, the bible is full of contradictions and there are no, and I do mean NO corroborating documents to back up anything said in the bible. That in itself is reason enough to discount it as a valid historical document.

So then, let’s look at it as a source of morality.

Oh dear. You only have to check out a few snippets from the Old Testament to see how Yahweh is far from the paragon of virtue that the church would have you believe. For instance:

1 Samuel 15:3: “This is what the Lord Almighty says … ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’

”Psalm 137: “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us / He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.”

Exodus 22:18: “Do not allow a sorceress to live.”*

This one is actually a mistranslation, the original was “suffer not a poisoner to live.”

And when presented with this sort of information from their own book, what do Christians do? Simple, they claim that you’re cherry picking, quote mining or taking things out of context. Although, how you can take something as lovely as a command to commit genocide out of context, and add your own spin to make it sound bad is beyond me!

Make either of these points to christians, especially on twitter and they will fail to refute them, normally insult you, tell you that you’re ignorant and then block you… Which is the online equivalent of shouting, “You’re so stooooopid!” storming out and slamming the door behind them.

Remind you of anyone? Like perhaps a toddler having a tantrum.

So, we’ve looked at the bible as a source of historical knowledge and morality and found it to be severely wanting in both respects. How does this apply to my original point? Well gather ye round and let me explain by first asking a question.

What’s the purpose of organised religion?

It isn’t to provide spiritual guidance. It isn’t to provide comfort to the needy. It’s all about power, money and control. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you how rich all of the religions are, or how many adherents they have, or even how much of a hand they have in political decision making in many countries around the world.

And what’s the best way to keep all of those lovely things? Simple, by keeping the masses in a childlike state, at least in terms of religious ideology. So much easier to control the thoughts, actions and purse strings, if you’ve managed to convince your followers that they need you to do their thinking for them, not to question and certainly not to leave. Especially if you can use the threat of eternal damnation to keep them in line.

The easiest way to do all of this is to catch ‘em while they’re young and emotionally immature… Then keep them there. Over the centuries, the various churches have become adept at brainwashing the masses. You only have to watch Ken Hamm at work on one of his young audiences to see a true expert at work. After all, beliefs instilled during childhood are the hardest to divest yourself of. An indoctrinated population is a lucrative population.

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Posted on June 25, 2014, in Atheism, Christianity, Religion and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 29 Comments.

  1. The Bible is one of the Great Books of our Western Heritage.

    It is there with other great works such as Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey.

    Calling the Bible a fairy tale is like calling the Iliad and the Odyssey fairy tales.

    The rest of the post is a litany of the usual straw men that reveals more about the atheist way of thought than then it does about Christianity.

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    • But the Iliad, Odyssey and the bible ARE fairy tales. None of them have any basis in provable historical fact and none of them are supported by any other references in genuine historical documents.

      Also, point out any strawmen please.

      It would appear that your post reveals much about the religionists blinkered viewpoint and refusal to dispassionately look at the evidence, or 100% lack of it.

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      • Virtu,

        The purpose of works like the Bible and the Iliad and Odyssey is to impart wisdom.

        The atheist commits an error in reason by arbitrarily assigning irrelevant standards to works like the Bible; and then making the claim that because the Bible does not conform to the arbitrary and irrelevant standards cooked up by atheists, that the Bible is therefore a fairy tale.

        Also, your claim that the Bible and the Iliad “ARE” fairytales is also false.

        One only need to read those works to determine that.

        Consequently, you have either never read the Bible or the Iliad or you have read those works are intentionally making a false claim.

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      • By what measure is a request for valid supporting evidence an arbitrary or irrelevant standard? Anyway, these standards were not ‘cooked up’ by atheists, they are just standards that we adhere to.

        Also, I am hard pressed to find any wisdom or morality in the bible.

        One cannot say that my claim that the bible and the Iliad are fairy tales is false, without… You know… Proving it! But you both didn’t and can’t.

        And you used ‘consequently’ improperly. Or are you going to use the old ‘the bible is true because it’s the word of god because it says so in the bible’ routine?

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      • Virtu,

        At the root of your error is a logical fallacy widely used by atheists.

        You are trying to equate apples with oranges.

        The Bible is not science. It is a literary work.

        Therefore you are trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.

        You blaming the round hole for not being square signals thinking that is rooted in atheist dogma not reason.

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      • So you admit that the bible is a work of fiction then. Good, at least we are in agreement on that one.

        Also, atheism has no dogma, merely an oft repeated, and thus far unanswered request for proof of the existence of your deity of choice.

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      • Virtu,

        The Bible can be looked at as a book of fiction by non-believers and the Word of God by believers.

        The discriminating reader will see the Bible as a master work none the less.

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      • And here we have another old favourite.

        The truth of the bible is clear, but I am just too ignorant to see it.

        Sorry, #EpicFail. Please try again.

        Either the bible is true or it is a work of complete fiction. If it’s fiction, then it’s not evidence, merely a book of fairy tales.

        If it’s true, you are required to provide evidence to prove it. I cannot make this any clearer for you.

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      • Virtu,

        As I said earlier, the Bible is one of the Great Books just like Homer’s Iliad.

        The wisdom of Homer’s Iliad is undeniable.

        Apparently you are discriminating against the Bible because its association with the Christian religion.

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      • I am not discriminating against the bible at all.

        I am simply challenging your contention that it carries any literary merit, morality, wisdom and also that it is far from useful as a guide for living a moral and worthwhile life.

        The bible is a work of literary fiction, and is a particularly poor example of the art.

        Badly written, self-contradictory, advocates slavery, incest, religious intolerance and genocide.

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      • Virtu,

        It is not my assertion that the Bible carries literary merit.

        You are challenging the Western Heritage which has determined that the Bible is a Great Book and therefore carries exceptional literary merit.

        And therein lies the rub.

        Atheism is the rejection of the Western Heritage which powered the rise of the greatest civilization in human history, Western Civilization.

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      • You need to get a dictionary, any will do and look up what the word atheism means.

        Also, you need to stop telling me what I think!

        And I’m not sure how you can say the bible is a product of western heritage, when it originates in the Neolithic Middle-East.

        And your contention that western civilisation is based on the bible is ridiculous. Western civilisation exists IN SPITE of the bible rather than because of it.

        The only things I reject are the multitude of religions that have been spawned over time which have all done nothing, NOTHING! Except hold back humanity and hamper our development as a species.

        Look back at your previous comments where you said, “The discriminating reader will see the Bible as a master work,” and then tell me again that your assertion is not that the bible carries literary merit.

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      • Virtu,

        All civilizations rose up around religion. Name one civilization that did not rise up around religion.

        You can’t because civilization can’t happen without religion.

        However, the greatest mass murders in human history were committed by atheists. And atheist regimes have led to the most brutal societal collapses.

        It is obvious that Christianity, the greatest religion in human history, powered the rise of the greatest civilization in human history, Western Civilization.

        The central dogma of atheism is that everything happened all by itself.

        So it’s no wonder you think Western Civilization just happened all by itself.

        It didn’t.

        Civilization cannot happen without religion.

        Atheism is simply a return to pre-civilized barbarism.

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      • You have more straw men than a scarecrow factory.

        Also, you have provided absolutely no facts to support your insipid arguments. You insist on telling me what I think and you make several basic errors.

        No civilisation rose up around religion. Civilisations rise and fall for a number of reasons, but religion is a cancerous lump that attaches itself to them and leeches off the populace.

        The greatest mass murderers were atheists? Hmmm? Was Hitler an atheist? Were the spaniards who wiped out the Incas atheists? What about the Spanish Inquisition? Hmmm? The crusades, a huge war of attrition between two different RELIGIONS!

        Name all the civilisations that collapsed directly due to atheism. Go on, I’m waiting.

        And yet again, atheism has no dogma. It is the lack of belief in any supernatural deity due to a lack of evidence… That’s it!

        I will refer you to another of my blog entries:

        http://virtuarat.net/2014/06/14/hello-wall-fancy-a-chat/

        Good day to you.

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      • Virtu,

        Every civilization in human history rose up around religion and your inability to name even one that did not proves that you are arguing from falsehood.

        Your denial of simple, easily verifiable facts is stunning.

        It demonstrates that your atheist dogma is more important the actual truth of the matter.

        Further, simple facts are not straw men.

        Simple facts comprise the kernel of reasoned thinking and common sense.

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      • You keep talking about facts and common sense, but are yet to provide either.

        I have asked you to provide proof for your ‘facts’ and you have completely failed to provide ANY!

        Until you do, I’m done with you.

        Have a nice day.

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      • Virtu,

        It is a fact that all civilizations rose up around religion.

        It is a fact that the Bible is one of the Great Books of the Western Heritage.

        So your claim that I have not stated any facts is false.

        Also, regarding citations the rule of thumb in academia is that citations are not required for common knowledge.

        So your requirement that I provide citations for common knowledge proves that you possess a low grade education which is a lamentable condition that I am attempting to address in this discussion.

        To help you out I am going to list several well known civilizations for which religion was a central, fundamental component.

        Remember, this is common knowledge so there is no requirement for citation:

        1. Ancient Egypt
        2. Ancient Greece
        3. Ancient Rome
        4. Ancient China
        5. Ancient Japan
        6. Ancient India
        7. Arabian Caliphates
        8. Incas
        9. Aztecs
        10. Maya
        11. Western Civilization

        That covers human history and the globe from A to Z.

        There is not one fairy mentioned in either the Bible or the Iliad consequently, neither is a fairy tale.

        Here is a link to a list of the Great Books of Western Civilization:

        Click to access great_books_09.pdf

        Volumes 16, 17 &18 contain the works of Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas Aquinas and are based on Christian doctrine which is based on the Bible.

        Unfortunately, all of this means nothing to you because neither common knowledge nor citations mean anything to you.

        You are an atheist and are therefore a slave to your atheist dogma. Any facts that contradict atheist dogma you will simply ignore.

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      • And STILL you tell me what I am thinking and continue to talk about ‘atheist dogma’ as though such a thing exists. Atheism is a lack of belief in any supernatural deity due to a lack of evidence supporting their existence. Do I really need to say that again?

        The civilisations you mentioned did exist and were great civilisations, i will grant you that.

        However religion, although a part of them was not central to their success, it was merely one facet and detrimental to their success rather than a cause of it, unless you count the violence and death that was carried out in the name of their particular god.

        Their success was down to a combination of two or more of the following; political power, military strength, scientific knowledge and technological advances.

        Your contention that religion was the prime reason for their success is both incorrect and fatuous, as they flourished IN SPITE of religion. Which leads me to also note that precisely NONE of them failed due to atheism. But some did fail due to religion.

        “Not one fairy mentioned in the bible or the Iliad”… Really?!? That is your argument against them being fairy tales? A poorly constructed evasion of what constitutes a fairy tale?

        There are no fairies in Little Red Riding Hood or Beauty and the Beast either, but they are still fairy tales. In terms of supernatural events and magic, there is no difference between them, the Illiad or the bible. And I am disappointed that you can’t see that.

        Your link to the great books of western civilisation is irrelevant. The bible was neither a product of western civilisation nor is it mentioned. You supplied works of men that may have been based on the bible, but not the actual bible itself.

        Also, provide a list of the world’s worst mass murderers who were atheists. You are also required to show that any who happened to be atheists carried out their despicable deeds due to atheism, rather than any other factor. You made that contention, so back it up with evidence.

        Lastly I would like to address the thinly veiled ad homs that have been a constant in all of your posts. By including the attacks on my education (of which you know nothing), my intellectual prowess and my ability to dispassionately examine evidence, you reduce your credibility… You are not as clever as you think you are, but your arrogance is seemingly boundless.

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      • Virtu,

        I don’t tell you what you think. That is another one of your false claims.

        You are condemned by your own words.

        And since those words of yours are without logic or rational content you feel the need deflect that fact by blaming me.

        You asked for the facts. I gave them to you.

        You asked for citations. I gave them to you.

        Your response is to should the messenger.

        Your own words and actions are not me telling you what you are thinking.

        They are you expressing your own thoughts.

        It is not rational for you to blame me for the content of your thoughts.

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      • You have supplied no facts. You have supplied one citation which turns out to be invalid.

        You contend that I make a false claim… Really?

        “You are challenging the Western Heritage which has determined that the Bible is a Great Book and therefore carries exceptional literary merit.”

        “So it’s no wonder you think Western Civilization just happened all by itself.”

        “Unfortunately, all of this means nothing to you because neither common knowledge nor citations mean anything to you.”

        “You are an atheist and are therefore a slave to your atheist dogma. Any facts that contradict atheist dogma you will simply ignore.”

        Tell me again that you haven’t told me what I think. Also, show me where my own words condemn me.

        You have failed. Your arguments are baseless and without substance. And the ad homs continue with an attack upon my rationality.

        Good day to you.

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      • Virtu,

        Since you insist on being senseless and nonresponsive to facts and proofs there is no need to continue.

        May God bless you and keep and grant your heart’s desire.

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      • And there we have it folks!

        Provide no evidence, present opinions as facts, a barrage of ad homs.

        Typical when dealing with religious types.

        No evidence, no facts, no substance. Nothing.

        Oh and the usual walking away with an aura of victim hood.

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  2. eyeontheuniverse

    Mental retardation (now classed as intellectual disability in DSM5 because of precisely this kind of misuse) is found in persons of all religious and belief backgrounds.

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    • Re-read the article and point out where I said it was a mental illness or abnormality.

      I said it was retardation and I stand by that. I used the word entirely correctly.

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    • Jason,

      This post starts out, “Many Christians are retarded.”

      It takes no work or in depth thinking to insult people.

      In the above statement, what if I replaced the word, “Christian” with black people, gays, or women?

      Of course, you would call me a bigot, and rightly so.

      Why do you folks think it’s okay to express bigotry toward Christians?

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      • It would appear that the only part of it that you actually read was the title.

        If you have nothing sensible or constructive to say, feel free to sod off.

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